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i'm serious. not. good night. >> eboni: i am eboni k. williams with eric bolling and kat timpf and we are "the fox news specialists" ." anti-terry sweeping london today in the wake of saturday's attack that killed seven and injured dozens. u.k. authorities are identifying two of the three terrorists in the attack that isis is claiming responsibility for. mike tobin joins us from london. >> the first of those terrorists identified is rachid redouane. they assume he is 30. investigators cannot pin down
his country of origin. different case for khurum shazad butt. he was well known to police, as well as mi5. primarily he got on the radar for talking a great deal about radical islamist ideology. you mentioned anti-terror raids. they've been happening since the weekend. a couple boroughs outside london. they picked up some 12 people. at least 11 are being held. investigators believe they killed all the attackers but believe there might be a wider network. as london mourns, thousands have gathered in an area known as potters field for a vigil. an angry london mayor, sadiq khan, said the attackers used a perverse ideology that's against the faith of islam. the commander of scotland yard is appealing to the public, particularly the muslim community.
>> eric: they named two of the attackers. they have identified all three. why are they waiting to name the third? >> it has to do with him being international. they are trying to pin down exactly where he's from, according to investigators the particulars about him, before they release the information. >> eboni: thank you, mike. let's meet today's specialists. his career spans 15 years. covert field officer for the ci cia. he is a fox news channel regular, and he specializes in global crisis and u.s. national security. mike baker is here. he is a best-selling author, former member of israel's top counterterror unit and the founder of a leading manufacturer of law enforcement products. he specializes in late '80s hair metal drumming. aaron cohen is here.
heavy metal hair metal. i want to start with you, mike. two of these three attackers were already known to authorities, we are being told. one of them it's being reported that a friend called one of these hotlines and reported him because he was obsessed with hate preaching youtube videos. and also police were warned that at least one of them was actively radicalizing children in local parks, giving them treats and candy. the theme, much like we signed manchester and orlando and san bernardino, at least some if not all of the terrorists already on law enforcement's radar. help me out. how does this keep happening? >> mike: this is why the public sometimes loses their mind, and the top line story you hear is that it it's an intel failure or law enforcement failure. the reality is, some of those
things he said, those things happen. individuals have been on the radar screen. radicalizing children? at the end of the day, law enforcement and the intel community, talking about the u.k. or the u.s., can only operate within the parameters of the laws that are established. that's it. >> eboni: are their hands tied? >> mike: yes, if what they -- what you want them to do is be more grace of. if they are on your screen, why aren't you following them? you can't unless you have sufficient evidence. just because he was at the park and waved and isis lane, believe it or not -- quote >> eric: he t on a terror watch list. they let him go. i'm going to push back a little bit. i was on on the show a few yeas ago, five or six years ago on "the five" and it just comes on and talks about the muslim no-go
zones in europe. he got in trouble for saying it. to suggest there were no-go zones. now we are finding out there are radical islamic muslim no-go zones where local cops in france and great britain don't go into these neighborhoods and they let them practice sharia law. part of it is pc culture ran amok in europe. >> mike: the political correctness has created an environment where the laws exist and you've got to play within the parameters. i guarantee you if we were following somebody in the investigation didn't meet a protocol. you have everybody complaining about privacy issues. after an event, yes, everyone is on board with security and the
pendulum swings to security. but that doesn't happen for very long before it moves back and people start complaining. if you want it, you got to change the laws and allow investigators and law enforcement to be more aggressive. >> eboni: let me get erin in here. i think a lot of people would feel in agreement with what mike is saying but of course the other concern is protections and civil liberties, because ultimately they be we are talking about changing the probable cause standard, what's needed to move forward with interest when someone is suspected of this type of activity. >> aaron: if i wasn't leading this operation, i would wanted to rain warrant so i can kick down every door of every possible terrorist, friend of a terrorist, family member. in israel, if you cohort it with a terrorist or had knowledge of a terrorist attack, were going to destroy your house. you don't deserve to live here if you had any knowledge of a potential terror attack. >> eboni: it's a different
standard? >> it's the tone. me and the cia guy, we are trying to each other's cell phones. the law is a living, breathing thing. tone, it's no different in any other business. what's the tone you want to set for the operation? >> eric: the tone is, the manchester bombing, after the areata ground a concert, the mayor said business as usual ret happens? a couple days later, the london mayor, there is a terror attack. they mowed down some people on the street, exactly what isis plans and tells people to do their fighters to do and what does the london mayor say? remain calm. >> eboni: he said remain calm. don't overreact of the increased
police presence. >> kat: he was talking specifically about the police presence. he said londoners will see an increased police presence. >> eboni: this is a perfect set up. prime minister theresa may perhaps changing tone, stating what we all know about the islamic terror threat. >> while we have made significant progress in recent years, there is, to be frank, far too much tolerance of extremism and our country. so we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across societ society. that will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations. >> eboni: people who feel like it is too little too late or just talk, where are you on that? do you think it's a step in the right direction? >> kat: it certainly is. when you talk about somebody, on video within isis flag saying i would murder my mother for isis,
made it clear it's a radical person, how much more obvious or probable cause do you need to look deeper into a dude like that? i am all about tolerance but when someone wants to murder me, i'm not tolerant anymore. he wasn't hiding. >> aaron: everybody is a counterterrorism specialist after an attack. >> eric: and you are. what did she mean by saying that? we need to be more robust? >> eboni: we know who they are are. >> kat: he was almost haunting them. it >> eric: how do you not step up and say no, we are going to knock down doors in these no-go zones. we are going to look into the mosques. >> mike: we should be aggressive, but when i am saying is now that she said that, now you know what they've got to do? they need to bang the issue out in parliament prayed they need to revise some laws, adjust the
surveillance particles we can monitor and do the things we need to be doing. >> kat: you have to -- >> aaron: the americans and brits are experts at investigating crime. the responders show up. everybody praises the responder responders. they're going to get there in 8 minutes. they did a great job. the problem is, profiling afterwards, fingerprinting, investigating. i don't care if these guys were connected to a larger network. the profile of a would-be with no connection to isis with a knife on a bridge or in a car is going to do the same amount of damage by someone connected to isis. >> eric: within minutes of the attack, forget after they are dead, within minutes, they have 12 people arrested. what does that tell you? they knew. >> eboni: you're right, and that's my frustration. all of these attacks,
manchester, orlando, san bernardino. i think mike is driving this point home. it's a change in law that needs to happen. before we go busting down the mosques, they know who they are. criminally profiling? i am a staunch advocate. racial profiling? no. >> mike: you said that's the key. aaron and i were talking about this. people talk to me and say how do we get into it tighter situation like in israel. they are profiling constantly. that's what they do. you go to the airport, and they are looking. it is very scientific. >> kat: civil liberties are also important in this country. we have to be absolutely protecting them. >> eboni: criminally profiling doesn't destroy civil liberties.
you don't need to bust into mosques. sometimes we know who they are, so it's not an issue. >> eric: you are preaching to the choir. i am in favor of aggressive profiling of anyone who's been, even a friend of a friend is related to a terror cell, bust there -- bust their butt too. they will hide behind the constitution. i am a constitutionalist but there's a certain point in time when national security is at risk. you've got to go one step further and say we are going to profile these dirt balls. >> eboni: i think when we say enough is enough, i think that's what it means. look at the statute. recalibrate the standards we have generally used to say this is how long you can be under surveillance. this is how long we need to have probable cause. maybe we need to lower some of those standards. >> kat: you mentioned in terms of terrorism, which happened with the patriot act. as we all know, it's being used for cases that have nothing to do with terrorism. you have to be very, very careful. if you absolutely --
>> eric: this city, shouldn't law enforcement or fbi, intel be able to listen into mosques? >> kat: we were talking about changing laws, the standard for proof and probable cause. for the sake of terrorism but when you do something for the sake of terrorism in this country, often it gets expanded and that gets used for other cases and we don't want to let isis win in a sense by destroying our way of life for ourselves. >> eboni: when you talk about the reasons why standard of law can be changed, there's no greater reason than public safety. >> kat: used to apply to drug cases which have nothing to do with public safety. >> mike: if i can inject a cynical and negative point which is i am listening to this conversation and you are right, i think what you're saying about profiling and adjusting and looking at the loss, i will say also i've been in the same conversations for what seems like a lifetime now.
>> eric: we have liberal mayors and liberal leaders. eboni, come on. would you be in favor of listening into mosques in new york city? >> eboni: not indiscriminately but if you can connect dots for me. not indiscriminately and thus we are going to do it for churches as well. >> aaron: we have a million muslims in israel who are israeli citizens who don't want to be blown up, don't want to blow up people. they serve in our military. we have to listen. if you don't listen, ultimately you're going to fail. you have to follow the profile. >> eboni: i am not saying not to listen, this is an important clarification. criminal profiling, absolutely. >> eric: explained that. eboni, york criminal profile only happens after the crime is committed. >> eboni: you are not
listening. criminally profile on the front end. i'm not saying not to do that. i am distinction criminal profiling. >> eric: i am trying to learn. explain what you mean. on the front end of a terrorist act, how do you criminally profile? >> eboni: you look for things in totality. race, religion, race, but also their behavior. who do they know? who are their friends? you listen in. >> mike: you can make it happen. it's not a heavy left. the problem is we have short-term memory here and it doesn't take very long after an attack before we all go back to our lives. >> eboni: i hope we don't do that. president trump going all kinds of defense on the travel ban.
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>> really no evidence to suggest that by banning muslims come up banning muslims from a particular set of six countries, that we would make ourselves here in the united states safer. that is i believe one of the major reasons why the courts thus far have been skeptical of the travel ban. >> eric: he didn't say banning muslims. he said banning states of origin. it's hard to understand how temporarily banning travel from six terror plagued countries would not keep america safer. the white house hitting back. >> susan rice reminds everyone that no one on tv is under oath. she knows better that it's not a muslim man and i would say her comments yesterday are parallel to the lies she told ae benghazi attack. she knows it's not a ban against a certain religion. she knows these are six countries identified by her obama administration department.
>> eric: aaron, i'm going to start with you. the temporary travel ban. a poll in april found that two-thirds of british muslims would not tell the government of a friend or family member became involved with extremists. half of them said homosexuality should be illegal and they also supported sharia in the u.k. when donald trump talks about extreme vetting, i don't have a problem. do you? >> aaron: no. america is like a 14-year-old teenager going through security puberty and until we figure out how to do this, it's process. you have to slow down who was coming here. we are not banning muslims. i hate it when they spin that. makes it sound like we are going after somebody for a specific race. we are going after them for specific reason. we are putting them in a box
temporarily so we can filter them to make sure they are not coming here to blow up women and children. >> kat: how long is it going to take? it is supposed to be a 90 day band. now it's been 120 days since the original one. we haven't heard anything. >> eric: a window to reevaluate. >> kat: what's going on with that? there's been nothing going on with reevaluating. we haven't heard about it. >> eric: the clock starts at 90 days. >> kat: can't reevaluate it? >> mike: the white house has had some problem with messaging. this is a simple issue. the countries were identified by the previous administration. they are failed states. i've worked in places like this. there is no infrastructure. it's a nightmare. i have a company that does due diligence, background vetting.
you travel out to a village, no infrastructure, no databases. you have to travel to a village to try to somebody who knows the subject that's i who are they associated with? that is the granularity we have to get to. we want to take a break, a suspension and say let's look at the way we do this. the left, they hijacked the argument. suddenly it's a travel ban, a muslim ban. they conflate it. >> kat: trump does call it a travel ban. >> mike: it's a messaging problem from the white house. as the three countries of origin, failed states with a higher concentration of terrorist activity. >> eboni: what if i told you i have no problem with that.
no problem with the countries identified. it's a messaging problem from the president. he went on the campaign trail and talked about not letting muslims in the country. >> eric: the circuit courts are holding the travel ban up because of a messaging problem with the white house? meanwhile, the country may get attacked or be less safe? >> eboni: that is what they are doing. >> mike: it's like a toddler holding it hostage. >> kat: wouldn't have protected any of the attacks taking place here since 1975. >> eric: the mainstream medias trump derangement syndrome kicking into overdrive after the london terror attack. ♪ we asked people to write down the things they love to do most on these balloons. travel with my daughter. roller derby.
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>> kat: the mainstream media loathing of president trump on full display after the london terror attacks, calling his renewed call for a travel ban, a cnn host tweeted this. "this [bleep] is not just an embarrassment to america and a strain on the presidency. he's an embarrassment to humankind." he has since apologized. and even worse display may have been made on msnbc. >> the president doesn't want us to be politically correct, so let's not be pc. is the president trying to provoke a domestic terrorist attack with this twitter rant? only to prove himself right. >> kat: hard to know where to start. i certainly don't think that's the case could he might have been referring to the reaction he had to the mayor but --
>> eric: john roberts is a nice guy but he's an idiot for saying that. that is one of the most asinine things i've ever heard. i'm sorry, thomas roberts. the president of the united states wants to provoke a terror attacks we can be right? that along with the cnn host, richard lu on nbc said he wondered if the london police were being too aggressive with the terrorists. he wondered that out loud on-ai on-air. the mainstream media has lost their collective mind around the pc, treat them nice, be careful what you say. the opposite has to happen but we have to get tougher with them. kill them and kill the ideology. i am blown away that the mainstream media has gone overboard in the wrong direction with this. >> mike: we have been hearing about this for sometime, that it's our behavior, our actions that fuel the terrorists, that cause them to do this. i don't know if you remember --
this has been going on for a long time and it's going to continue unfortunately. but i am very tired because i've been hearing it, i am so tired of hearing it's our fault. it's not our fault that there is an element of islam that wants to kill us. >> aaron: the sympathized mentality stops us from developing tone in the teeth we need legally to go after the terrorists. this is a collective. if everybody doesn't come together and get on the same page. let trump do what he has to do and let the law enforcement agencies gather the intel. terrorists are no different than the mob. giuliani disassembled the mob.
warrens, intel, people inside. this is a dirty job. if it doesn't start immediately, everything we are seeing in london is going to come here. the security needs to reflect the amount of time it's going to take for the americans to develop the multilayered plan to put these guys down. security has to happen as well. so much work ahead of us, the fact that there is this kind of yapping from the other side of the media and putting handcuffs and restraints on the counterterror development is really disturbing. >> mike: good point because when you talk about how the mob gets taken down, it's a bit apples and oranges from an operational perspective incentive sources and recruiting sources. you get people inside the mob. getting people inside these terrorist organizations, al qaeda, boko haram, isis, insanely difficult. it can be done. >> aaron: it is all money. it >> mike: it causes a greater reliance on technical
collection, technical coverage would goes back to what we were talking about earlier. you've got to expand the playing field, white and the parameters so we can do more to be more but then you have undoubtedly the cries about privacy and civil liberties. i understand that. you need checks and balances. >> kat: it's really important. >> eboni: mike, you said you've been in rooms where everyone is having this conversation we've been having and everybody almost agrees we need to lose my handcuffs and yet we never get there. why? >> mike: because we are all like raccoons chasing the next shiny object. we tend to think, there is an attack and it's horrific. we are focused on security and the pendulum moves. then we are willing to give up things and then there's not an attack and we get busy and we are tired of taking our shoes off and we want life to go back to normal. there's also an element that says no, you can't do these things because there's a mistrust. >> eric: that's what we have. major cities where a lot of
terror attacks could be taking place, mayor de blasio pushed back. there was a task force in new jersey that said we have credible threats to new york city. de blasio pushed back because he felt civil liberties were being violated. they wanted to listen in to the mosques. liberals saying we are not going to do that. they had real stuff. >> kat: how many of these things -- tsa. they can go outside the airport. you create soft zones around the secure zones. >> eboni: eric bolling set a magic word. "credible threat." that is not indiscriminate eavesdropping. >> kat: the vice chair of the senate intel committee says there is still no smoking gun in the russia probe. what could that indicate for james comey's senate testimony
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>> eboni: welcome back to "the fox news specialists." our specialists are mike baker and aaron cohen. senator mark warner, democratic vice chair of the senate intel committee is casting doubt on whether there is hard evidence and wrongdoing in the russia probe. >> there's a lot of smoke. we have no smoking gun but there is a lot of smoke. clearly it would be very, very troubling if the president of the united states is interfering in investigations that affect potentially the president and his associates. >> eboni: james comey is set to face the intel committee on thursday. white house announcing that
president trump will not invoke executive privilege to try to block his testimony. we got from the senator, smoke, smoke, hypothetical, smoke. >> eric: we had someone a couple days ago who said there's a heck of a lot of smoke. doesn't necessarily mean there is fire. if you caught the megyn kelly interview with vladimir putin, he said you are making so much out of it, there is nothing there. and there is nothing there. if there isn't either, then i understand. this ended up being the best thing to happen to donald trump. special prosecutor, so these people can say i'm not talking to your panels in the house and the senate and the doj. i will wait for the special prosecutor and if there is something there, then there's something there. my hunch is there's not going to be anything there. >> kat: vladimir putin, whatever he says makes no difference in terms of what i ultimately think. i am waiting to see what happen happens. vladimir putin, i wouldn't get a letter of recommendation from
that guy. >> eric: during that interview, i didn't think there was a lot of breaking news but he said by the way, the united states does this to every other country. put a finger on a map and almost every country you can touch, the united states will be trying to hack into or influence elections. it is global. these guys will tell you what happens both ways. >> mike: as far as i know, the u.s. has never done that. i wouldn't trust putin as far as i can throw him but i also believe there is nothing there. this is another one of those stories that has just spun out of control and frankly, if it is not the russia story, it's going to be something else. it doesn't matter, as long as the left has something they can throw this administration, it's going to be a problem. with russia, did russia meddle in our election? yes, they've been doing that since the early 1940s. try to keep us out of world war ii. this is what they do.
they fight proxy wars. they do all sorts of things and they are very good at it. does that mean there is collusion? no. you can't swing a dead cat in washington, d.c., without hitting someone when business dealings with the russians were the former soviet union? >> kat: we haven't heard anything from him, now he is going on the record in the hearing. >> eboni: were you surprised, aaron, that president trump did not provoke his executive privilege? >> aaron: i think he is doing what has to do. i think president trump is focusing on his job. he has a lot on his plate right now. i don't think he needs to be caring what vladimir putin says on television. this is another cog in the wheel, do whatever we can to keep the president from being able to do his job. right now, london is under siege. president trump needs to focus on being able to execute security protocols, and he's
having a hard time with that. so many things working against this guy, i'm surprised he's not absolutely losing his mind. he's got a lot on his plate. you need to leave him alone and let him do his job because there's thousands of potential would be lone wolves or whatever you want to call them. millions of hours of eyeballs. coming from the agency, is one person -- takes a lot of people to watch. in israel, we don't have a lot of people so we have to be savvy and sneaky about how we do it and really dedicate our resources. there are so many eyeballs to put down in front of these potential lone wolves. i don't care if they are associated with isis ideologically or connected to a larger group. anyone of these guys can grab a knife and a van. >> kat: i would like to hear
more about how were going to do things. all we hear is ban, ban, ban. >> mike: i probably found this to be the funniest comment of the week. if you want to know how disingenuous putin is in the nature of this guy, former kgb officer. he had the gall to say when he sat next to general flynn at the dinner that was held in moscow, he had no idea who mike flynn was very didn't occur to him. he had no idea and found out afterwards. the idea that the press is paying attention to what putin says is absurd. if they are going to act in their own best interest. that's what russia does. putin has always regretted the fall of the soviet union. he believes it is the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century. at the same time, doesn't mean there is collusion. that is smoke that's going nowhere. >> eboni: well said. programming note, you don't want to miss the show on thursday.
former trump campaign manager cory lewandowski will be one of our specialists for the entire hour. be sure to catch it. portland, oregon, police teasing dozens of weapons in a face-off between the far left and pro-trump demonstrators turning violent yesterday. is it a disturbing omen for protests to come?
>> kat: far left protesters at a free-speech rally in portland, oregon. things took a turn for the wors worst. >> tensions rising, the pro-trump rally wrapped up across the street. protesters started throwing bricks and bottles. you can hear police. they deployed flash bangs. for several minutes, the square sounded like a war zone. several arrests made, including
this woman led an altercation with a trump supporter. >> kat: there have been 14 arrests but the more disturbing development is that dozens of weapons seized by the police. everything ranging from access to hammers to knives. i think the larger point is that this symbolizes with going on in our country. the people on the other side, you don't see them as people. >> mike: i don't understand how they got the name antifascists. it doesn't make any sense. that's what you do if you are a fascist. you stop free-speech and oftentimes in hooded garb carrying weapons. >> kat: irony is dead in 2017. >> eric: you lose the name protester when you start throwing bricks on bottles and flash explosives.
>> eboni: criminal. >> eric: should be incarcerated. if you are at a pro-trump rally and their people with knives and whatever else they've got. that's scary. >> kat: the mayor was concerned about having the rally because of the free-speech people. as it turns out, these weapons were found with the people protesting the protesters. >> mike: i would recommend law enforcement infiltrate the crowds and start arresting them. appear out of nowhere. i think there needs to be a little bit of fear infused in the crowds them and that's i would do. i would start looking for the troublemakers. you can see the weapons presenting themselves. people can get hurt. it's serious. it's not a joke. once an escalade so that level of potential threat, it's time
for law enforcement to start thinking about plainclothes guys dispersing into the crowds. that's how i would do it. just start grabbing these guys and arrest them on the spot. >> kat: this is what people do as a job. they are out every one of these things. >> eric: they are being paid and it's organized. moveon.org is organizing it. anti-free-speech protesters. what they should do is turn around and find the organizers. arrest those people. all of the expense it takes to clean up. >> kat: after they arrest them, they should read them the definition of fascism. >> mike: eric makes a good point. something that appears to be a grassroots movement or community-based rising up against a free-speech rally, whatever it may be. there is a national elements. there's a coordination level. they provide guidance and
training, finances, communication, legal support. where is a good, intrepid journalist? find out who was at the bottom of these protests. >> eboni: i take in a lot of issues with certain things from president trump but it's important that he and his supporters be able to say their piece, come together, and have that moment of speech and what they feel like is important. by shutting that down, it breeds us becoming a nation that so many people say their afraid of us becoming that they don't want us to become. if were going to be truly tolerant and be a nation of values for the racist ideologies are diverse, we should not only tolerate. we have to embrace and celebrat celebrate. >> mike: and put a bunch of undercover cops in there. >> eboni: when you start
say thank you to to great, let's call you bad as heck dudes. a very special terror-related day. good to have you. >> eboni: moments like this, i've been on sat with mike several times, learned so much. thank you. i know you've got ideas and you have accompanied the does this type of stuff. if there is one thing that every american wants to make this less of an issue, what would you have them do? >> mike: do we have four more hours in the show? i've been watching this a long time and dealing with it a long time. i am cynical i don't think it's going to go away on our lifetimes. you have to get busy living. you don't change your lifestyle, your pattern. you've got to stay out there but i think if there's one thing. we need to find a way to begin to talk to each other again.
aaron said it earlier. this is not a joke. this is national security issues. we have to be able to converse, both sides, come together. if we are going to get an agreement to improve the future for our kids and try to find some way to minimize this as close to zero as possible, a risk in the future. >> kat: i wanted to circle back, something we talked about earlier. i think everyone is understood when i was talking about, why haven't they been reviewing? i was talking about the procedures themselves. there would be nothing to stop them reviewing the procedures. statistics is just being held u up. >> nothing stopping them from reviewing the process. the idea was, a temporary suspension. >> eric: that's what the
courts are holding up. thanks to our specialists mike baker and aaron cohen. follow us on social media, specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook. 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" coming up now. >> bret: this is a fox news alert. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. the show that it seems everyone in washington wants to see will go on. today, white house spokesperson said president trump will not stop fired fbi director james comey from testifying before congress this week. thursday, comey is scheduled to testify before the senate intelligence committee about whether president trump pressured him to drop the investigation into former national security advisor michael flynn's possible ties to russia. after all the leaks and the chatter, comey will finally answer questions. catherine herridge reports on what the senators want to